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Simple 2 stroke

Jan Ridders Two Stroke Engine for all you petrol heads !

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Go on. Admit it – you’ve always hankered after building an internal combustion engine. Well I reckon with two or three of Elmer’s engines under your belt, ideally including one of the more demanding slide valve engines, you can.

Take a look at Jan Ridders ‘Simple Two Stroke Engine’ – no tricky valve arrangements to machine, no high precision crankshafts to fabricate and no fragile piston rings to cut. Mind you, you will have to brush up on your silver soldering technique. But, worry not, you’ll find a useful and practical guide to silver soldering right here

Jan first produced the design for this engine back in 2004 but the even better news is that this year he simplified his design bringing it within the scope of beginners like me and you. I hope I have not bitten off more than I can chew  as I have now started to build Jan’s engine. You will find much information and a link to free plans on Jan’s site

The plans are beautifully produced and a credit to Jan’s engineering cad cam skills. I downloaded a set and had the printed sheets wire bound and hard backed to withstand the rigours of workshop abuse. A list of materials was produced and should you run into any difficulties in sourcing specialist stock such as thin wall brass pipe for example try M-Machine Metals.  If you are not in the UK then I can’t be of much help. Sorry.

Whilst it is not my intention to produce a step by step tutorial I shall be covering some aspects of the build where I feel my experiences in overcoming certain difficulties may be of some assistance to fellow builders. I made a start by building the engine base plate and crankshaft bearing supports. I always like to get the base out of the way but this turned out to be no easy task. Compared with Elmer’s engines this engine base is big. The length of the baseplate is longer than the travel on my mill so a certain amount of improvisation in work holding was called for. The following photographs provide some indication of the first tentative steps in this project.

As always, you can view these pictures in greater detail by clicking on each image.

Simple two stroke – 2

Nine year old grandson George tries his hand at turning under my watchful eye.

Calling all Grandads !

Despite having an absorbing build under way the highlight of my week has been a visit from George, my nine year old grandson. Together we turned an acrylic pen and George was able to try his hand at turning on the lathe. He showed great interest and a surprising level of understanding in lathe operation. Hopefully a seed was sewn and he’ll be back for more. One thing’s for sure he was as proud as punch with his afternoon’s effort.

So come on all you Grandads out there – get those young grandkids into the workshop. It’ll do ‘em more good and give them greater satisfaction than any amount of computer games.

Update on Jan’s simple two stroke

Now for an update on this weeks progress on Jan Ridder’s simple two stroke. The flywheel was finished off by adding holes tapped M5 to take the three retaining grub screws at 120 degree spacing around the hub using the RT set in a vertical position. Three holes were also prepared to take the cam wheel, the profile for which was machined on the RT. An afternoons trip to the shops procured two or three micro swith candidates from Maplin. These can be wired either ‘push to make’ or ‘push to break’ – the latter being the option we require for our contact breaker. A simple bracket was quickly ‘knocked up’ from ‘L’ section aluminium with allowance made to adjust the position of the micro switch in relation to the cam wheel. Whilst on the ignition topic I decided to order a spark plug rather than make my own, mainly for cosmetic purposes you understand ! Turns out that I shall need a 10mm metric FINE so unless i can do a ‘borrow’ from a friend an order will be whisked off.

A start was made on the engine cylinder using a lump of Meehanite which, according to Bogs, is a quality form of cast iron. Initial problems in opening up the bore were resolved with a quick call to my mentor who advised me to slow down the drill to a miserly 100 rpm only rising to a very modest 150 rpm when using the boring bar.

Bogs also came up with a solution to starting up the engine when completed. I had my misgivings about the rope and pulley method and favoured the possible use of my vari-speed electric hand drill to put in the effort. More of this later.

Today being Sunday, and concious of the noise normally emitting from my workshop I decided to work on the electrics. A simple rotary switch enables me to switch the internally mounted battery to ‘Ignition’ or to ‘Charge’. Using Jan’s wiring diagram I now have a healthy fat blue spark at the plug.

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Simple two stroke – 3

Wiring as seen from the underside of the engine baseplate

Wiring as seen from the underside of the engine baseplate

Electrickery

As a result of a flood of emails, well just one to be honest, I have put together a few notes on how I tackled setting up the electrics on my two stroke. Let me say from the start my knowledge of the workings of all things electrical is severely limited. So trained and experienced electricians should look away now.

Working from Jan’s schematic these are the bits that I gathered together.

A 12V coil. The small type commonly found on classic motorcyles is ideal. I chose a 12V version rather than 6V only because I already had a serviceable 12V 2.2amp battery that had been used in an alarm standby system which would fit conveniently into the base of my engine. BTW I noticed during a visit to Maplin that they stock this type of battery.

From the same supplier of the coil (try ebay) I also picked up a condenser an essential component that acts like a tiny storage battery that charges and discharges rapidly. This I mounted on the underside of the engine base plate to provide good earthing.

A contact breaker in the form of a micro switch (Maplin ref GW73Q) complete with roller which is actuated by the cam wheel. This was mounted in position to bring the roller in contact with the cam wheel. Provision for ride height adjustment was allowed for when making the simple L shaped bracket. Important, when connecting up choose the higher of the two blade terminals and the blade terminal under the unit. This will give you a ‘push to break’ arrangement which is the required setup.

Whilst Jan provides details on how to make your own spark plug I opted to buy one ready made (Ref CM-6, Google Apache Aviation). You will also need an M10 x 1 tap, it will cost you more than the spark plug ! – buy just one, a 2nd which as you probably know has some taper and full width thread so is adequate for cutting the spark plug hole in the aluminium cylinder head.

You can carry out a bench test by connecting up all the components, observing the polarity of coil and battery. The spark plug body should be earthed by laying it on the engine base plate. If you have wired everything up correctly you will be rewarded with a healthy blue spark at the plug when you depress the micro switch either by hand or by rotating the cam wheel.

Flushed with success  I decided that I wanted some means of switching the ignition circuit on and off plus the facility of plugging in a battery charger. The simple answer is to fit a double pole double throw switch giving ON-OFF-ON. I made life a little more complicated for myself by opting for a two pole 6 way rotary switch (Maplin ref FF74R) to give the same result plus the glitz of ‘circuit live’ 12V LEDs. Wiring was very much a case of trial and error using a basic multi meter. (I wonder if Maplin will send me a Turkey at Christmas ? – no maybe not !).

To sum up, wiring up the basic ignition circuit is not difficult and providing you follow Jan’s schematic should present no problems. The switching, battery charging arrangement is very much optional. If anyone would like clarification on any of the above send me an email to john(spam)@start-model-engineering.co.uk.

Cooling fins

Now back to the engine proper. One job that I was viewing with some trepidation was the machining of cooling fins on the cast iron cylinder. Fortunately Bogs saw the potential problems and came to my rescue even before I asked for it ! I will attempt to pass on to you the key points in tackling this job. It is worth the effort in getting it right as, without wishing to fill you with alarm, a cock up at this stage will live to haunt you.

Whilst a standard 2mm wide parting tool may be OK I had the benefit of a ‘chip breaker’ cutting tool presented to me. The photograph shows the profile of the cutter which may be of sufficient guidance to enable you to grind up your own tool. Whatever cutter you opt for I would suggest you carry out one or two trial runs on a piece of scrap before starting on your cylinder.

The first thing is to ensure that your cutting tool is mounted with the cutting tip dead on the centre line, not a nadge above or below but spot on !

Next use a clock to make sure that the blade is square on to the centreline of the lathe. As the cutter does not have any side relief failure to do this will almost certainly cause jamming as you cut progresses deeper into the cylinder.

For maximum rigidity I would advise using your independant 4 jaw chuck. I have used mine quite a lot recently and setting up to run true does become much easier with experience. Make sure the jaws are tightened up really well. Tighten them progressively in opposites and to preserve your centering.

When the saddle is in the required position lock it down and make sure all gibs are tweaked up – there should be no slop anywhere in the setup.

Wind back the top slide away from the chuck (you don’t want to be running out of reach after you have cut your first groove).

Check how far your top slide travels for each revolution of the handwheel – mine gives 1mm of travel for each revolution which makes calculations nice and simple. After cutting my first groove 4 turns of the handwheel moves the cutter into position for the next one. Carry out a similar exercise for your cross slide – make a note of where the position of the handwheel should be when you have reached your 6mm depth of cut.

Lathe speed for your cast iron cylinder should be somewhere between 100 and 150 rpm. As Bogs says, don’t play with it, just give it a nice steady cut to keep it cutting. As soon as you stop that is when materials rub and form a hard skin and can make it difficult to get cutting again.

Simple two stroke – 4

Not quite there !

It’s a couple of weeks since I last reported on the progress of Jan Ridders simple two stroke. I had hope that by now I could have reported a successful conclusion to this latest project. I did  say at the outset that if you had built two or three of Elmer’s steam engines then you would have no problem building this simple two stroke – how wrong can you be !

This has proved to be a rather glib statement. Jan’s inspirational design has  removed several major problem areas like piston rings,  crankshaft and cylinder porting. Nevertheless accuracy of machining is of paramount importance and this is where I feel am having problems. The stated clearance between piston and cylinder wall is given as 0.04 mm. So far I have made five pistons in an effort to meet this close fit and thereby achieve the necessary level of compression. I have now come to the conclusion that what I thought was an accurately bored cylinder may not be as accurate as I first thought. The answer may well be to ream the cylinder and repeat the lapping work.

Having said that ‘Debbie’ is a very attractive looking and substantial engine and I shall continue my efforts so watch this space ! Incidentally Jan has updated his website to provide guidance on problem solving – very helpful. Thanks Jan.

Simple two stroke – 5

So near and yet so far. This is the stage I am at with ‘Debbie’, Jan Ridders Simple Two Stroke. Despite many days experimenting with fuel and ignition adjustments, remaking of components and every effort to eliminate any possible air leaks ‘Debbie’ steadfastly refuses to pick up her skirt and run. By the way, the tall pipe protruding from the fuel tank is a temporary affair and was used in experimentation of the air inlet.

Building an IC (internal combustion) engine, whilst calling for similar machining techniques to the construction of a model steam engine, has given me a sharp lesson in the need for greater machining accuracy. I would strongly urge beginners to serve their apprenticeship with the construction of a number of steam engines before moving on into the more exacting world of IC engines.

Having built a dozen or so steam engines I felt I might just have sufficient experience to tackle a simple two stroke – just how difficult can it be ? I opted for Jan Ridders ‘Debbie’, a simple two stroke to a design where Jan has removed as many of the difficult bits as possible. There is an easy to construct vapour carburettor and those tricky to make piston rings have been dispensed with altogether.

I guess it took me around four or five weeks to complete the build working on average three or four hours per day – not that I was in any hurry. It would be nice to say that after adding a drop of unleaded ‘Debbie’ sprang into life – no such luck !

It is now two months later, during which time when there were many days when it was just too cold to venture into the workshop, and still ‘Debbie’ refuses to run for longer than a few seconds. The following are steps taken in my quest to get ‘Debbie’ into the ranks of runners.

Piston/cylinder bore. This is the heart of the engine and calls for a sliding fit where the cylinder internal bore is no more than 0.05mm (that’s 500ths of a millimetre !) greater than the diameter of the piston. I had several attempts at achieving this level of accuracy before I was satisfied. It was during this process that I learnt the correct way to use an adjustable reamer. I felt the need to dismantle mine to remove sticky storage wax and the way it worked became apparent on disassembly.

Ignition. Another key aspect of the build. Initially I opted for a battery, coil and contact breaker setup. This worked fine but it soon became apparent that the micro switch contact breaker had a very short life expectancy and I got through half a dozen of these during my efforts to get ‘Debbie’ to run. Having lost faith in micro switches I wondered if a change to electronic ignition might not be the answer to my problems. £60 later I had a more reliable set up but regretfully this was not the answer to ‘Debbie’s’ problems. One bonus of the switch to CDI ignition is that with the coil and larger battery dispensed with, a shallower base is now practical and this, in my opinion, results in a more pleasing overall look to the engine.

Ball valve. This is the device fitted between the carb and engine to restrict fuel vapour to flow in one direction only. According to Jan the malfunction of this valve is frequently the cause of poor or non running of the engine. I have lost count of the days spent focusing on this component in my bid to get ‘Debbie’ underway. Following a suggestion from my mentor Bogs I modified the design to a square edge ball seat rather than a taper and this certainly improved the sealing properties. A light tap with a hammer on the ball helps to form a good seal. Discard the ball after tapping and replace with a new one.

Fuel. Jan suggests using either unleaded petrol or Colemans camping stove fuel. He recommends Colemans for improved running characteristics and less odorous exhaust fumes when run indoors. It was during my many hours of adjustments to the ball valve that I discovered that there was a definite relationship between the fuel level in the carb and the willingness of ‘Debbie’ to fire up. The other feature I noticed was that to get ‘Debbie’ to fire the air valve on the carb had to be almost fully closed giving a very rich mixture. Then the penny dropped ! Air was clearly being sucked into the inlet system somewhere after the carb, thereby weakening the mixture. Close examination revealed that the seal around the piston rod appeared to be the prime suspect. I also discovered that the level of fuel in the tank directly affected the engine’s willingness to fire. I know I am not alone in having problems getting this engine to run and I am beginning to think that the piston rod seal must be high on the list of potential problem areas.

Despite all the problems I think this is a superb engine to add to my collection and this makes me all the more determined to overcome my present difficulties. I am most impressed with Jan’s take on two stroke engine design and I feel my difficulties are due more to my construction than to Jan’s design.

Simple two stroke – 6

'Debbie' despite international efforts still refuses to run unaided and is now sadly destined to the 'non-runners' shelf until a solution can be found.

'Debbie' despite international efforts still refuses to run unaided and is now sadly destined to the 'non-runners' shelf until a solution can be found.

Well, sadly, I feel as though I have come to the end of the road with ‘Debbie’. Not only have I spent two months of workshop time but minds with far more knowledge than mine have applied both theoretical brain power and practical skills in what has turned out to be an international effort to resolve this frustrating issue.

‘Aussie’ Jim who has also built a ‘Debbie’ has encountered the same problem as myself in that the engine will fire when aided by the electric starter but simply won’t run under it’s own power. Jim has been to extraordinary lengths to get to the route of the problem using such fault seeking devices as a colourtune plug to view and video the action of the spark plug plus oscilloscope, stroboscope and as far as I know even a kaleidoscope but all to no avail. Jim also tried a bigger flywheel to increase momentum between power strokes and even a smaller flywheel in case the standard flywheel was just too much.

Once or twice I have succeeded in getting my engine to run for maybe 15 or 20 seconds unaided then it simply fades away as it misfires and fourstrokes. I have tried both mechanical coil and contact breaker and more lately an electronic CDI ignition system but with no apparent difference between the two.

I have made a compression seal for the piston rod to minimise any leakage of compressed vapour during the transfer process.

Many hours have been spent perfecting the action of the non-return valve which according to Jan is the most likely cause of poor and non-running engines.

I have made a modified version of the vacuum carb incorporating throttle control. I have also made a revised cylinder head to provide better gas flow and place the spark into that flow.

Jim and I are not the first to encounter difficulties with this engine as last year there was a thread on Model Engineer forum where two or three builders of this engine came up against identical problems.

So, sadly, ‘Debbie’ will be put on a shelf and before starting my next project I shall attend to a number of pressing service issues in the workshop including an overhaul of my DRO system on the mill and a general tidy up after weeks of neglect.

With thanks to all those who expressed an interest in this project and those who took the time and trouble to offer advice. I know of at least one undaunted visitor to my site who is bravely midway through his build of ‘Debbie’ and I am just hoping and praying that he may come up with the answer – good luck Dan !

Simple two stroke – 7

Just when I had resigned myself to abandoning ‘Debbie’ I was delighted to receive a message from ‘Aussie Jim’ that after weeks of effort he now has his ‘Debra’ up and running. In fact it is running so well Jim is thinking of adding a throttle to slow it down !

It turned out that the problem was insufficient compression. Jim solved the problem by modifying the piston top. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the same modification will produce a similar result for my own engine.

Regretfully it will be a day or so before I can get into my workshop to carry out Jim’s mod on my own engine so for now I am just savouring the prospect.

Simple two stroke – 8

Debbie runs at last !

Well at long last Debbie runs. I had more or less given up when Aussie Jim got his Debra underway with a modified piston giving a higher compression and a change to the opening of the transfer port. Jim’s success spurred me on to have one more go and by following Jim’s mods I finally got my Debbie to run as sweet as a nut. She does tend to 4 stroke but they all do that and as Jim pointed out that’s probably because she is not running under load – think BSA Bantam stood at the traffic lights ! Whatever, I am as pleased as punch and have fulfilled one of my life ambitions which was to build an internal combustion engine.

Having used up a litre of Coleman fuel during my efforts to get Debbie to run I was googling for a local supplier when I came across Aspen 2T a ready-mixed (2%) alkylate petrol for all 2-stroke small capacity engines with a recommended mix of 2% or 1:50. (There’s also Aspen 4T for four strokes).

5 litres cost me under £16.00 (Coleman works out at around £9.00 per litre inc postage) and as Aspen fuel is much more widely available it saved me a package on postage costs. I was surprised to find that compared with Coleman fuel Aspen runs on a much leaner mix. I was having to virtually close the vapour carb air valve to get Debbie to run. With Aspen the valve was just about fully open. She ran sweeter and uses far less fuel.

Many thanks to Jan Ridders for his excellent design and amazing patience, Aussie Jim and Bogs for all their practical assistance and encouragement.

Thanks too to all the others who have expressed interest and proffered advice in this project including Jim Arnott, MalcolmT, Ralph(AKA Divided head), Chris, AlasdairM, BrianW

And as for Dan Parry, Good Luck Dan and keep at it. If you think I may be able to help in any way just give me a shout.

Simple 2 stroke timing

This is how I went about installing my RCEXL electronic ignition system on Debbie.  Do read the instructions you will receive with the CDI unit in conjunction with my notes below.

The first job was to turn down the brass cam wheel to the same diameter as the round bearing housing at the top of the bearing support pillar. A hole was drilled into the edge of the former cam wheel and taking care that the magnet was the correct way round was inserted and held in situ with a dab of superglue.

The Hall sensor was screwed to the top of the pillar and the sensor leads run down the pillar and into the cavity below the base plate which houses the electronic unit and batteries.

Now, stand by for a useful coincidence, IF you have made your flywheel to plan, i.e. 110mm diameter the circumference works out at 362.67mm which is close enough to the 360 degrees of a full circle enabling you to simply use a tape measure to find your 28 degrees BTDC. This only works if the circumference is, or very close to, 360 mm in circumference.

I recall being confused between Jan Ridders saying the ignition spark should occur at TDC whilst the RCEXL people quoting 28 degrees BTDC.  Follow the RCEXL instruction and the electronic unit WILL fire at TDC – believe me !